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balancedapproach |
What's Your Real Agenda???
May 28 2010, 3:04 AM EDT
OK, I have spent some time on this website and checked out all the posts before I got here and carried out some research of my own. First of all Paul, let me point a few things out to you...Now, I can understand why you are going after Bruce Mathieson and Woolworths and the football clubs, but I think it's a bit unfair to pick on Bryan at the Hampton Park Tavern and Sam from Castello's Berwick Springs Hotel, to name just a couple. First of all with the Machine Talkers, Regulation 17 in the Gambling Regulation Regulations 2005 states "At all times when a gaming machine is available for gaming in an approved venue, the venue operator must ensure that a player information talker is displayed on the gaming machine so that it is clearly visible from the front of the machine". At no point does it mention that the talker HAS to be at eye level. If a talker is on the top box it can still be seen from the front of the machine (VCGR Inspectors have passed this). I know you quoted Mr Luscombe from Woolworths, but he only speaks for ALH venues not the rest of the state! Secondly, in regard to ATMs being visible from the machines, the old voluntary codes of practice did state that the ATMs would not be visible from the machines...However the new Codes of Conduct implemented on the 1st June 2009 DO NOT mention this...Also, the Gambling Regulation Act 2003 DOES NOT stipulate that ATMs have to be out of sight of the machines. So, again, this is not illegal. Thirdly, the Act nor Regulations state that it is illegal to serve customers food or drink at the gaming machines or to eat at the gaming machines. Again, I'm not talking about ALH. And probably my biggest concern is this massive push of yours to get kids out of gaming venues... Surely it is up to the parents to properly educate their children about ALL things in life...If they can't do that, don't blame gaming venues... To be continued... Do you find this valuable? |
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1. RE: What's Your Real Agenda???
May 28 2010, 3:10 AM EDT
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I have a 6 year old grandson who has seen gaming rooms and asked the obvious questions and we have explained to him exactly what they are and what they do, and as he grows older we will continue to educate him about them, gambling and all facets of life.We enjoy going to gaming venues for dinner with the family and have no problem whatsoever exposing our family to the sights and sounds of the real world... Paul, if you want laws to be changed then lobby the government, don't try and ram your values down everyone elses throats... Pick on ALH all you like, but I think it's a bit rich when you start picking on very good operators like Bryan, Sam and the Finnings at the Settlement in Cranbourne!!! Do you find this valuable? |
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2. RE: What's Your Real Agenda???
May 29 2010, 12:57 AM EDT
(don't try and ram your values down everyone else's throats...)Just sounds like you are trying to ram it down our throats.......Don't you understand that that the Barons of the hotels Industry don't care one bit about the people of this state. Finnings are so far up themselves its not funny, Little do they realizes that its the average Joe blow that keeps them going. I went to the Casino the other day and my wife said....It says a "Place Of Entertainment". and No one is smiling they all look so sad....... We all know that we are not going to stop the gambling in this State.......but, lets give it a go, we know they are not braking the laws, however some hotels continue to give extra cash when they should not do so , through a credit card, they will get caught one day. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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3. RE: What's Your Real Agenda???
May 29 2010, 6:45 AM EDT
" however some hotels continue to give extra cash when they should not do so , through a credit card, they will get caught one day.If you have proof of that you had better explain because extending credit carries a maximum fine of $11,632.00. Frivilos claims will get you nowhere. Do you find this valuable? |
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4. RE: What's Your Real Agenda???
May 30 2010, 12:05 AM EDT
1. I do not "pick" on anyone. Interest was expressed by a reporter in Casey in venue practices. As a result I had a look at the non-Woolworths' associated venues in this local government area. I wrote to all these operators inviting them to add or modify what I had written.2. If an operator wished to truly observe Regulation 17, signs would be placed at the optimal position rather than out of sight to gamblers while they are pokie gambling. I continue to contend that placement on the top box is contrary to the regulations. Unfortunately the legislation is written so that one would have to institute action in the Supreme Court to appeal. I have observed Woolworths associated pokie pubs in other states where there is no parallel regulation to regulation 17. While there are always exceptions, promotional signs are pokies are typically placed directly opposite the animated reels. 3. It is Woolworths' representation that is being tested not whether the practice is illegal. In other states, this is the law. 4. As before, it is Woolworths' own representation that is being tested. Serving food and drink to gamblers while gambling also test whether they encourage breaks in gambling or not. 5. Government has been lobbied. It is now a national principle of responsible gambling that children should not be exposed to gambling within pokie clubs or pubs. This was agreed to by the federal minister and all state ministers. See: http://www.jennymacklin.fahcsia.gov.au/mediareleases/2009/Pages/gambling_communique_10july2009.aspx This is the law in NSW Hotels. Accepting this principle, Wesfarmers / Coles have voluntarily implemented this in a number of their pokie hotels in Queensland and elsewhere. Should you seek further information on this issue, please refer to www.PokieAct.org and its associated blog. One should always bear in mind that pokie gambling is a harmful form of adults only entertainment. Do you find this valuable? |
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5. RE: What's Your Real Agenda???
May 30 2010, 12:23 AM EDT
" I continue to contend that placement on the top box is contrary to the regulations.Advice I have received from a QC says that the positioning of talkers on the top box of the machines IS legal as per Regulation 17 and a Supreme Court Appeal would fail... Wording on the ministers site was this "Minors should not be allowed to gamble or be exposed to gambling areas within venues." My interpretation of that is that minors should not be allowed INTO a gaming room to be exposed. The fact that they can see them from another part of the venue is not exposure in my opinion... And Pokie Gambling is a harmful form of adults only education to only a very small percentage, NOT the majority... I am very interested to see the final report from the Productivity Commission. Do you find this valuable? |
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6. RE: What's Your Real Agenda???
May 30 2010, 4:12 AM EDT
"Advice I have received from a QC says that the positioning of talkers on the top box of the machines IS legal as per Regulation 17 and a Supreme Court Appeal would fail...1. I am curious why YOU received QC's advice on a gambling matter. It seems an unusual step from a member of the public. 2. The word "exposure" should be given it's common meaning. You are adding something that is not in the national principles. It says "within venues" not "within the pokie area" I forgot to add that in SA, venues are similiarly prohibited unless the operator enters into an arrangement prescribed under the act. 3. I would expect the PC to continue to discredit those who cite prevalence over the whole of the population. Instead they will focus on regular users and they will maintain their draft finding that 40% of regular users become at risk or problem gamblers. Do you find this valuable? |
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balancedapproach |
7. RE: What's Your Real Agenda???
May 30 2010, 6:17 AM EDT
"1. I am curious why YOU received QC's advice on a gambling matter. It seems an unusual step from a member of the public.Because a QC happens to be a good friend of mine... And I showed him the regulations... :) Do you find this valuable? |
